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I've had MainStage a little over a year, and the only significant plug-in purchase/upgrade I've made is Omnisphere.As Black Friday approaches (as well as a Miroslav Philharmonik 2 currently being on sale), I'd like to scope and pick up an orchestral library and piano.I'm assuming I'd play these from within MainStage (although I'm curious to hear what host you use or play them with?), so the application would mostly be live performance-based. That's not to say that I wouldn't ever record later on, so that would still be a consideration.I like the sound and look of Miroslav Philharmonik 2 so far and am leaning that direction. For pianos, I'm debating between Pianoteq and Keyscape. I'd like to have a good variety of a couple different grand pianos, an upright, and a realistic tack or honky-tonk sounding piano.

I feel Keyscape would be more than enough and cover all of the bases, but I feel Pianoteq would save some coin and still cover what I'm wanting without sacrificing quality.What do you use, like or dislike? Couple of things to take into account.All VI's can run inside MainStage.

Logic VI's can only be run in Logic or MainStage.So running anything from NI, UVI, IK etc. Unless the VI is also available as an AU, like Pianoteq, requires you to run a host (eg IK) inside a host (MainStage) chewing up RAM and CPU.A MainStage concert with patches that use multiple different hosts uses a lot more system overhead just managing the sounds.

The alternative of running these hosts as standalone defeats the main reason of using a master host like MainStage. You will have to switch programs on the fly to go between stand alone instances of these hosts and MainStage.Speaking as an owner of Komplete, multiple UVI VI's, Sampletank 2.5 and 3 and many other 3rd party VI's I only use them if I cannot get the sound I want out of the Logic AU's.I have yet to find anything in Sampletank that is better than what is available in the free Logic AU's.Taking into account sound, playability and resource use the only 2 external VI's I use in every one of my MainStage concerts are Pianoteq AU, and B-5 (hosted inside UVI Workstation), or VB3 AU. So running anything from NI, UVI, IK etc. Unless the VI is also available as an AU, like Pianoteq, requires you to run a host (eg IK) inside a host (MainStage) chewing up RAM and CPU.A MainStage concert with patches that use multiple different hosts uses a lot more system overhead just managing the sounds. The alternative of running these hosts as standalone defeats the main reason of using a master host like MainStage. You will have to switch programs on the fly to go between stand alone instances of these hosts and MainStage.Speaking as an owner of Komplete, multiple UVI VI's, Sampletank 2.5 and 3 and many other 3rd party VI's I only use them if I cannot get the sound I want out of the Logic AU's.I have yet to find anything in Sampletank that is better than what is available in the free Logic AU's.Sorry, I probably should've mentioned that I'm running MainStage on a Mid-2012 MacBook Pro with a Core i7, 2.6 MHz processor and 16GB of RAM. I also upgraded to a 1TB SSD hard drive.

Do you think that will handle running IK within MainStage?Also, I assume I don't HAVE TO run these inside MainStage, right? I'm just speaking from being mostly familiar with MainStage and am getting started with VIs and VSTs (one in the same?).Also, thanks for bringing up Sampletank. How does it relate to Miroslav Philharmonik? Does Sampletank include the sounds in MP? Also, I assume I don't HAVE TO run these inside MainStage, right?

I'm just speaking from being mostly familiar with MainStage and am getting started with VIs and VSTs (one in the same?).No you don't have to. However all my comments are in the context of live performance which is what MainStage is designed for. Logic is Apple's DAW for studio work.VI = used in this context as an abbreviation for 'Virtual Instrument'. Originally called VST - Virtual Studio Technology VST's could be synths or samplers, instruments and effects.

VSTi is the full initialism of VI.Apple's native VI's and effects use a different 'Audio Unit' format, initialism 'AU'. An instrument or effect for OSX will be referred to as an AU, some compatible VST's can also be loaded in MainStage and Logic.VST's run natively in Windows. Also, thanks for bringing up Sampletank.

How does it relate to Miroslav Philharmonik? Does Sampletank include the sounds in MP?I haven't checked recently. I have MP but think it dates back to Sampletank 2.5. I run a similar spec 2015 MacBook Pro using both MainStage and Gig Performer (use depends on the particular application).I do like the variety of instruments in Keyscape but it can be a resource hog, particularly if you use some of the duo instruments. It does have a 'thinning' option, which for live use works quite well.

For some reason it does appear to use less resources using Keyscape instruments in Omnisphere. For the number of quality keyboard instruments in the collection the price is more than reasonable. However, I do find that I use Keyscape for the EPs and digital pianos rather than the Yamaha acoustic piano.Don't overlook Native Instruments Komplete.

There is a huge selection of sounds available in the standard version and the Grandeur piano can be tweaked to sound very good in a mix. They have even announced the good, but pricey, Komplete Collectors edition which also contains all of the huge Symphony Series. The standard version of Komplete contains a great selection of pianos, electronic pianos, synths and acoustic instrument samples and will take some time before you exhaust its possibilities.I've also been using Pianoteq for around 5 years now, and it has definitely improved in the sound department.

Whilst the playing experience has always been superb, the sound drew mixed reactions, but it is substantially better with the release of Pianoteq 6. The Bluthner is a lovely piano and the standard Steinway D is very usable. It works very well within MainStage and there should be no CPU resource issues on your MacBook.I also find that what sounds good through headphones or studio monitors does not necessarily translate well through a PA system, or in a band mix. For band work I tend to eq the pianos so they sound very close to the Gig Pianos that David Weiser created for the Kurzweil and Casio boards.Edited by Lee T ( 09/15/18 12:21 AM). I run a Windows 10 PC with FL Studio 12.I use mainly free VSTs, aside from the FL ones.I like 4Front Piano Module for pianos. Comes in 32 and 64 bit Windows, and MAC and Linux versions.I like DSK Brass, String, and Choir sounds. I like Sonatina Orchestra and VSCO2 ROMpler for orchestral stuff too.

If money is tight consider Addictive Keys from XLN Audio as a bargain entry point into good keyboards. They offer a trial product to let you fully evaluate for 10 days I think.Lot's of piano types to choose from and I was able to get a Grand and a Rhodes for $79. To get.both. with PianoTeq you'll need to spend $190.

If disk space is limited you'll want PainoTeq for sure. But the downloads of the AD Pianos isn't that slow but they consume a lot of disk.PianoTeq is also really conservative with CPU compared to the gigbyte sized sample-based products. So, an older lap/desktop works better with PianoTeq and at the end of the day you want something that installs and plays without headaches at any price.#2948469 - 09/15/18 12:46 PM Re: Your favorite orchestral and piano VST?Senior MemberRegistered: 05/09/17Posts: 78Loc: CA. Before I forget. There's an EXS24 sampler in Mainstage and some excellent SF2 Pianos out there that install into Mainstage for free.

Start with soundfonts4u to hear the Salamander Yamaha C5 and a decent Rhodes.$30 for Mainstage and free sampled instruments.There's also a free SFZ player that can load the gorgeous 'Piano in 162' 5GB Piano which is out there via Torrent Downloads. THE BEST FREE PIANO for attention to details created by an Arizona State student that has moved into the business of sampling I think.#2948470 - 09/15/18 12:58 PM Re: Your favorite orchestral and piano VST?Senior MemberRegistered: 05/09/17Posts: 78Loc: CA. There are excellent SF2 and SFZ Orchestras from Univ of Iowa and many others worth running through EXS24 for SF2 and the Sforzando SFZ Player Plugin. More free entry points into making Logic music. Mainstage itself has wonderful samples that come from the Logic product and work without owning Logic for the $30 entry cost.Anything imported into EXS24 can be exported as a EXS instrument for other applications like AudioLayer on IOS. So, with a little more work you can get great sounds on an iPad/iPhone for $15 extra.

AudioLayer does disk streaming so the bigger libraries work well.#2948510 - 09/15/18 03:36 PM Re: Your favorite orchestral and piano VST?Senior MemberRegistered: 08/20/01Posts: 319Loc: CO. I run a similar spec 2015 MacBook Pro using both MainStage and Gig Performer (use depends on the particular application).I've also been using Pianoteq for around 5 years now, and it has definitely improved in the sound department.

Whilst the playing experience has always been superb, the sound drew mixed reactions, but it is substantially better with the release of Pianoteq 6. The Bluthner is a lovely piano and the standard Steinway D is very usable. It works very well within MainStage and there should be no CPU resource issues on your MacBook.Thanks, Lee. I'll have to check out Gig Performer for grins.I don't use EPs all that much, which kinda makes me lean more towards Pianoteq (not to say that Keyscape is mostly or all EPs either). I gotta say from my research that NI Komplete is either not a popular option or a regretted purchase. Personally, it seems odd to me that you also have to buy Komplete Player to play their sounds and if you use it within MainStage, you have to be careful so that NI and MainStage play nice together. Does that sound right?Good point about watching and EQing pianos for use live vs.

18 and still in school 18. How they sound at home! I use mainly free VSTs, aside from the FL ones.I like 4Front Piano Module for pianos. Comes in 32 and 64 bit Windows, and MAC and Linux versions.I like DSK Brass, String, and Choir sounds. I like Sonatina Orchestra and VSCO2 ROMpler for orchestral stuff too.

I usually use Synth1 and Dexed when I’m doing orchestra stuff though, because I usually prefer synthesized horns and string sections, and synth instruments, because even though I play recorder and tin whistle and harmonica, I can’t fit them in my tracks.I dislike using high end libraries that aren’t FL, Native Instruments, Arturia, and anything other than Serum, Diva, or other stuff that’s overrated (even though those 3 don’t do orchestra sounds).I want to say that I'd listened to 4Front and wasn't overly impressed. I had not heard of DSK though, and what I heard sounded good. Besides, free options are definitely worth a try! Before I forget. There's an EXS24 sampler in Mainstage and some excellent SF2 Pianos out there that install into Mainstage for free. Start with soundfonts4u to hear the Salamander Yamaha C5 and a decent Rhodes.$30 for Mainstage and free sampled instruments.There's also a free SFZ player that can load the gorgeous 'Piano in 162' 5GB Piano which is out there via Torrent Downloads. THE BEST FREE PIANO for attention to details created by an Arizona State student that has moved into the business of sampling I think.I already have MainStage and I'm hoping for an upgrade from the pianos it currently has.

I also installed the SFZ player along with Piano in 162. It was okay, but I also had a couple random notes with odd noises associated with them. No iPhone or iPad here, so I'm not going to delve into those.Sounds like I need to do some more digging into EXS24 and explore what it has as well. You don't have to pay the full price again but you do have to pay a fee. From IK's FAQ' You have 180 days time to download the sounds from your User Area My Products (product name) Sounds Downloads, in your User Area on The time limit begins from the moment you register the included serial number. We do suggest to backup your sounds, as once your 180 days expire, download access can only be regained by purchasing a Sounds Reactivation Credit in the IK Multimedia Store. 'I am not aware of any other VI developer who imposes this charge.NI Komplete Player is free as are the sample sounds.

Developers who chose to be part of the NI eco system pay a higher fee to have their paid VI's available to work on the free Komplete player than they do to have them available to NI customers who have purchased Komplete.NI is one the largest developers with many happy customers but again you to have to consider what value they add compared to the many sampled and modelled synths and VI's you have for free with MainStage. Plus if you buy Garageband for $6 or whatever you can use all the additional sampled instruments like string, brass, woodwind sections in MainStage.I would explore all these options first and only look elsewhere if none of these work for you. Thanks for all of the feedback thus far!I gotta say from my research that NI Komplete is either not a popular option or a regretted purchase.

Personally, it seems odd to me that you also have to buy Komplete Player to play their sounds and if you use it within MainStage, you have to be careful so that NI and MainStage play nice together. Does that sound right?NI Komplete may be overkill for your requirements, but as a software suite I probably use it more than anything else I own. I run my third party libraries such as Chris Hein horns, Canterbury Suitcase, Sonicouture Clav etc. In Kontakt, and also make extensive use of the synths such as Massive and Reaktor.

I will probably upgrade to the Komplete Collectors edition as it includes a well reviewed orchestral string and brass library for an upgrade price for the whole suite that is not much different to the cost of many standalone string libraries.Kontakt has been pretty solid for me in MainStage, even more so than the UVI sample player although that might be down to B5 which is quite CPU heavy. Kontakt just needs the multicore processing disabled for some reason.Most piano sample libraries require a 'wrapper' program to run - Ravenscroft uses the UVI player, Keyscape uses its own host as does Ivory - and these programmes all add some overhead, with some more efficient than others. Pianoteq, being a modelled rather than a sampled piano, relies more on CPU processing although these days this is not as much of an issue as it used to be.

I'd download the Pianoteq demo as it contains all of their piano options. You don't have to pay the full price again but you do have to pay a fee. From IK's FAQ' You have 180 days time to download the sounds from your User Area My Products (product name) Sounds Downloads, in your User Area on The time limit begins from the moment you register the included serial number. We do suggest to backup your sounds, as once your 180 days expire, download access can only be regained by purchasing a Sounds Reactivation Credit in the IK Multimedia Store. 'Okay, I missed where you said 're-install'. I get where they cover their butts by saying to back them up, and it's $10.

But yeah, wow.I think this will be the plan for now.